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The Why

I've been using MC for several years, investing significant time and effort into improving the platform at many different levels. It was very difficult to even get to the point where I would consider another platform. Not only would a new set of rules need to be learned (and passed on to the family), but many of the tools (DTB, RecordingBroker, LcdWriter, etc) developed to make the old system work right will need to be adapted to an entirely new ecosystem.  Having received a few questions around why I'm replatforming (although a different word was used), I've tried to hit the big reasons below.

No updates in a long time, and none planned until Win7: Ehome has aligned its release schedule with Windows. So no more yearly updates. If they were in a position of strength, instead of being significantly behind the feature curve, maybe this would be understandable. But as it stands, so many features are missing I can only see them getting further behind in each cycle. Looking back 3-4 years it would have been very difficult to predict where the market would go. In such a dynamic environment, shorter/tighter cycles are required; if you're wrong the loss is minimal, if you're right you've kept pace. With the exeception of OCUR, there hasn't been a significant functional change in MC since Rollup 2. MCML is nice, but it doesn't add real functionality to the platform, just form. I want native QAM, a hetrogenous guide, ATSC subchannels, software extender (softsled), modern high definition codec support, and a more cohesive multi-pc environment experience. Living without a couple of these isn't a big deal, but there's a point where the features that are missing outweighs the ones that aren't. I think waiting for Win7 (2010?) is too much of a long shot. If I'm wrong, and Win7 has everything + more than Sage has when it ships I'll happily eat some crow.

Lack of relevant direction, but who knows: Forced to guess at who ehome designs for, and what its targets are, I can't find a cohesive direction or strategy targeting the needs of the enthusiast. This is made so much worse by the almost complete lack of transparency. We don't know what's coming or when; just that "good things are" at some unspecified, unmentionable, unaccountable point in the future. Looking only at the outputs, I have a hard time seeing how Media Center is targeted at me. Hopefully transparency gets better now that MS has finally gotten officially involved in the community.

Doing it the hard way, by design: I see a lot of complexity and inflexibility in MC, and I have to wonder how much of it is really necessary. It seems that they would be able to deliver more functionality faster if it didn't try remaking the wheel each time. For those that want to play, it's more difficult than it should be to get simple things working.

Won't Fix/can't Repro/Not my problem: It's hard for me to accept these kinds of responses for something I'm passionate about. MS needs to do a better job of engaging and supporting the efforts of those who are trying to make the platform better.

Maybe I need a change: Messing with HTPCs is one of my main hobbies. I want to be excited about the platform, to advocate for it, to be a "fanboi". There was a time when I could do that with MC and it was a defensible position. A time when the platform didn't let me down when it was cutting edge. Sage isn't for everyone. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't interested in tinkering; but it is stable, good looking (after some help), and most importantly capable.

Published Jul 29 2008, 03:03 PM by babgvant
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Comments

 

soul_stalker said:

I'm very very very close to making the same switch. I've been a dedicated MCE user since 2004 but I cant justify waiting any longer for the functionality sage already offers.

Ive been exploring the sage forms for quite a while and I'm impressed with what I'm reading.... but I'm not %100 clear on a few things.

1. If I use the Sage MC UI and a theme or skin will this be reflected on an extender (STX-HD100)  

2. how well does live tv work over firewire (non 5c withstanding of course). Is this reliable? Im using firestb on 2 boxes right now and it works seamlessley. I never ever miss a recording.  THe main reason I wouls switch would be he live TV capablility. If it can be done so that it is stable and reliable I will switch. I am comp savy and I do know what I'm doing so a little work and tinkering is not a problem.

3.How many fire wire tuners are possible. I have 2 right now but I am thinking about adding a 3rd.

4. Can the sage fire wire app work without anologe tuners? With firestb I still have 2 pver 150's installed that I'd like to ditch.

5. I know Sacemc has come along way but are there any plans for a new ui in sage. I really hate the ui and it's the absolute only thing holding me back. ( I used the trial version and was really put off by the ui.. even with sage mc and various skins)

If anyone can let me know that would be awsome! Like I said I explored the forms but on some issues you really never get a clear answer.

Thanks,

-Chris

July 31, 2008 4:55 PM
 

brent said:

soul stalker,

I'm a happy SageTV user - used Meedio first, then dabbled with MCE, GBPvr, Meedios and Snapstream BeyondTV before settling with SageTV so I've been around the HTPC block so to speak.

1. You can have the same "skin/UI" on all extenders and HTPC's or you can choose to have different "skin/UI's" on all devices.  I use SageMC with my server HTPC, my client (softsled) HTPC, my 2 HD100 Extenders and my Hauppauge MVP's.  I do use a little different skins (still SageMC UI) with the HD televisions vs. the SD televisions though.  Just know you can customize as much or as little as you want to.

2. I personally don't use firewire for viewing, but it does work in SageTV with liveTV.  There's a very extensive (read long) thread on the SageTV forums with many SageTV users who do this.

3. Not sure - again check the SageTV forums for this to be sure.

4. Yes

5. Not that I know of.  I do know there are some improvements coming to SageMC, but no idea how long they will take.

If you want lots of input on your questions, I really encourage you to register on the SageTV forums and post your questions there.  I guarantee you'll get lots of input from folks just like you and me.

July 31, 2008 6:27 PM
 

babgvant said:

Personally, I don't like the default SageMC skin much; it's too MCE2005 like.  There are a few other skins included in the package, I really like BlueTwo Blue Steel.  It was weird/simplistic at first especially compared the VMC UI, but I've already gotten used to it.  One thing I just found out, and really like, is that pressing "right" on the main menu items opens a submenu item.

I find that many of the concepts in Sage are more in-line with how I would expect things to work, so while the UI took some getting used to functionally I find it more intuitive.

The biggest thing for me was all of the features that are already there.  Stuff that took me a long time to add to the addin (like auto zoom and dvd bookmarking) are just there and they work seamlessly, not all hacky like some of the addin features.

July 31, 2008 7:01 PM
 

soul_stalker said:

awsome guys... thanks... I might just make the leap.

-Chris

August 1, 2008 12:50 AM
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